he has to get tougher with respect to president obama. >> lots will depend on these debates. if you look at mitt romney had double digits lost by double digits. got beat in two debates by newt gingrich and rose to the occasion. he only has three chances in this case. he has to come out of the box. there seems to be this fear about taking on the president in a tough way. you think some of this is race? when you were running you were putting your hat in the ring the race card was brought up against you. you spent your entire life helping people of all races in the city of new york. >> that is true. a lot of people came to my defense. i was called a racist, bill clinton was called a racist. i have seen bill talk to you and others saying donald trump is a good guy. we have a good relationship and he is a good guy. i believe the hate tried he had and maybe doesn't have any more for obama was unbelievable but people are afraid to to take obama on. i don't know what it is. >> this is amazing four years later he saved the democratic convention for obama. he said in 2008 they played t